In today’s episode Johan and Kees had the pleasure of hosting a podcast with ControlUp’s Eugene Kalayev. Eugene brings a very fresh perspective on startups, geo culture and company culture. Join Johan and Kees as they start asking Eugene about his opinions on Belgium beers, his bachelor’s degree (cum laude) and master degree in psychology and what the difference is between stigma’s/culture and even culture within a company. Eugene takes us back to the early days of working for a startup and also reveals the beginning of a new startup! An episode well worth tuning into.